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Hip-Hop/Trap Is Not A Form Of Goth Music

Cross Vanilla Ice with Marilyn Manson and this is what happens.

There are a bunch of people right now who think that recent really shit hip-hop/trap bands are goth just because they sing about sad or dark subjects. This is perpetuated by said bands who advertise themselves as ‘goth’ in order to seem ‘dark’ and ‘dangerous’. The funny thing about all of this is the fact that these bands create a falsehood about a subculture because they believe in certain stereotypes about the subculture that are false.

Before I really dig into this I would like it to be known that I am a fan of early hip-hop and rap music. I respect the hell out of bands such as NWA and Public Enemy because they were not afraid to write songs about the issues that affected them and their communities. Hip-hop/rap music grew right alongside punk music, and I think what those two bands accomplished was way more in the spirit of punk that mainstream type pop-punk bands such as Green Day. I am looking forward to Public Enemy’s new album What You Gonna Do When The Grid Goes Down and have pre-ordered it. This is all to say that I do not hate all hip-hop/rap music.

Who are these bands causing these issues? One of the more visible groups of musicians associated with this phenomenon are gothboiclique, who frequently also get labelled as ’emo rap’. It’s all actually a bit confusing because their fans quite often can’t decide to either call them goth or emo. Many think both genres are the same, when in fact we know that they are not. Just because somebody sings about emotional or dark topics doesn’t mean that they are automatically goth or emo. Goth is a form of post-punk that started in the late 70’s while the roots of emo stretch back all the way to the 80’s. They are both guitar oriented types of music, in which some keyboards may or may not make an appearance. It’s not the other way around. They also get described as SoundCloud rap because it is the music platform they mostly appear on. Also, there is another collective group out of Atlanta called The Vampire Cult. How edgy of them.

When called out on all of this they will almost always call you a gatekeeper, because you are calling their identity into question. Most of them are teens who want to desperately belong to a subculture, even if they don’t really know what said subculture is actually about. If one of their favourite musicians call themselves ‘goth’ then they latch onto that because basing their identity on the opinion of a musician is seen as more ‘real’. They even try to look like these musicians, drawing crap on their faces and wearing black hip-hop/rap associated clothing.

As I said in the start of this these musicians who call themselves ‘goth’ are basing their understanding of the goth subculture off of the mainstream stereotypes of the goth subculture. For instance, a lot of them love Marilyn Manson and think that he is a goth who makes goth music. Apparently, from what I have read online, he hung out with some of them and has name dropped them before. I don’t know how true that is but it really sounds plausible. Since the mainstream has always thought that Manson is goth because he’s ‘spooky’ and ‘dark’, these musicians think that if they sing about the same subjects that they should also be considered goth. What they fail to realise is that Marilyn Manson has never been considered a part of the goth subculture by the majority of the people who actually participate in it. He is an abuser of woman and a vile piece of shit on top of all of that.

Another really obvious thing that contributes to this whole miasma of misunderstanding is the image that ‘dark’ clothing companies perpetuate as being how ‘goths’ are supposed to look. The moon, pentagram, pentacle, ankh and general clusterfuck of religious symbols vomited upon clothing and objects is something really easy for these musicians to latch onto. All they have to do is spend some money and they can look ‘dark and ‘spooky’ and be granted automatic entry into the goth subculture. When they try to enter the goth subculture by dressing this way, instead of actually listening to real goth music, they get very defensive and the term ‘gatekeeper’ gets thrown about.

If you are one of the people that I have been describing here is a list of actual goth bands. This is a very diverse list so there is something for just about everybody on it. If you don’t like any of these bands at all then perhaps you should look into a subculture whose music you actually do like, because it makes no sense to call yourself a member of a subculture whose music history you hate.

  • Christian Death
  • Lycia
  • Sex Gang Children
  • Sonsombre
  • Pawns
  • Mystic Priestess
  • Nox Novacula
  • Detoxi
  • Then Comes Silence
  • Panic Priest
  • Kentucky Vampires
  • Scary Black
  • Horror Vacui
  • Bauhaus
  • Love &Rockets
  • Sisters Of Mercy
  • Virgin Prunes
  • The Cure
  • Mephisto Walz
  • The Creeping Terrors
  • London After Midnight
  • Angels Of Liberty

Andrew Eldritch Does Not Deserve Support From The Goth Subculture

Uncle Fester ponders his life choices.

One thing that has always baffled me about the goth subculture is that many people in it are absolutely fine with supporting a musician who openly hates and belittles them. Honestly, I can’t think of a single other subculture that would put up with this kind of behaviour. Can you?

How dare you speak badly about him! His music is iconic and you’re just jealous! Why should anybody be jealous of a musician who hasn’t bothered releasing an album of all new material in thirty years? A man whose best music was made in the 80’s because of other people in the band during that time. These people ended up in bands such as The Mission UK, Ghost Dance, The Cult, and The Damned.

Eldritch has done and said some pretty terrible things through the years. He has told goth looking fans that he hates them and then tells them to fuck off. The band Sunshine Blind was supposed to open for them at one point and when Eldritch found out they were goth kicked them off of the bill. He has famously not gotten along with fellow band members, and actually made Patricia Morrison sign an NDA after she was out of band. He even lied and said that she did not play bass in the recording of the album Floodland. QUOTE:

But is it true that she didn’t play on Floodland? That is true. I intended her to, but she didn’t make the cut. She was still a key part of the band’s visual identity in this period – on the album cover and in the videos. I didn’t have a band so I couldn’t go on tour. So I did a year of promo for the album, and it was nice to have somebody to answer half the questions and look pretty. Not that I didn’t look pretty in those days…”

He is such a lowly piece of shit that he denies her any credit for having played on the album and says that she was just a pretty face. She was in The Bags and The Gun Club before this band so the woman could indeed play bass.

Then we come to the disaster that is the Vision Thing album. I like a couple of the songs on it but overall it is a really stale and boring album, with the exact same guitar riffs being played throughout most of it. He mentioned in interviews at the time that people didn’t like it because it was too heavy. Heavy compared to what? Vanilla Ice? The band Danzig made some very excellent albums around the same time and managed to actually sound heavy without relying on the same exact riffs in every song.

After pondering about it for a bit I think I know the answer as to why he hasn’t put an album out in the last thirty years; he doesn’t need to, because he knows that some goth rubes will pay money to see him play live. By all accounts his shows are very hit or miss and yet you will always find people in goth communities online talking about Eldritch like he is the second coming of Christ. I quite honestly have never understood all of the hero worship that he gets from the younger folks in the goth community. They don’t care if he openly hates them, he’s a famous goth musician from the 80’s so that must mean he’s cool!

FANS: His music is on fire and slaps so I have to see him live! His music is iconic which means it has to be important that I see him play! People will respect me more in the goth community if I show up at one of his shows and take a bunch of selfies of myself sticking out my tongue while they play This Corrosion. Since the band is so influential it doesn’t matter what he has done, his music has to still mean a lot!

I’ve noticed that this young crowd who go to his shows and speak about him constantly are usually also the ones who still support Morrissey and The Smiths. I will tackle that fascist pig in another post in the future.

I can kind of understand why younger people still go to his shows, after all the 80’s are trendy as all hell right now. However, anybody over the age of forty ought to know better because they will more than likely know somebody who has been fucked over in one way or another by him. Hell, I remember about thirty years ago somebody I knew got told off by Eldritch because he looked too goth. That instantly made me never want to see the man perform live, and to this day I haven’t.

Not wanting to support Andrew Eldritch playing shows because he is a horrible person is based upon having a set of principles. If a musician acts like an ass to other musicians, and even openly acts like a complete jerk to his own fans I’m not going to support them because I feel that such people do not deserve to be enriched by the very people that they hate. There are a whole lot of goth genre musicians who deserve way more support than he does because they actually appreciate their fans and put out new music on a regular basis.

People will sometimes react to my reasoning with ‘He’s a jerk, but he’s our jerk.’. No hon, he’s not ‘our’ jerk, he is your jerk. This is a prime example as to how the goth subculture can sometimes be its worst enemy. Having actual principles isn’t as important as throwing money at Eldritch like he’s a top notch male stripper, instead of recognizing him as the tired bitter old man that he really is.

My Favourite Songs: You Got Lucky – Tom Petty And The Heartbreakers (1982)

This is my all time favourite music video. I remember MTV, when they still played videos, showing this all the time when it came out. Since I love the video so much I automatically think of it no matter where I hear this song being played.

This was made in the early 80’s the year after The Road Warrior(Mad Max 2) was released. That film spawned everything from cheesy Italian post-apocalyptic gang films to this video. I love everything about this video because it’s a well rounded romp through the post-apocalyptic wasteland.

The one thing that you may recognize in this video is the setting of it, The Vasquez Rocks Natural Park Area in northern Los Angeles County, California. The list of the productions that filmed here are way too many for me to type out, but I will mention the original Star Trek series because it’s nifty. The band arrive at this location in a hovercar, that was originally from the very short lived Logan’s Run TV series, and a motorcycle. They then enter a large black tent and proceed to mess around with guitars, slot machines, and records until deciding to leave the way they came.

Even if you dislike the song you can still watch it and have an entertainingly good time! They don’t make videos such as this any longer.

My Favourite Songs: Visage – Fade To Grey (1982)

This series will include songs from various decades. The only thing that they will have in common is the fact that I think they are cool as hell; goth rock, disco, deathrock, punk, darkwave, new wave, soul, rap/hip hop, folk, alternative and more will be featured. Hopefully you will find out about some songs that you have never known about, that will drive you in a quest to find out more about these bands. Questions about the music I feature? Please ask away because I love talking about this subject.

I know that worshipping everything ’80’s’ is trendy as hell right now. However, I was actually a teen in the 80’s so I have the absolute right to wax and wane over the music from that period of time.

With all of that being said this song will always remind me of my late 80’s club going days. Back in the late 80’s, before the word goth was heavily used in the SF Bay Area, clubs that played weirdo music were called ‘alternative’. The term back then mostly meant the music of bands who never got much mainstream radio play. Sometimes those kind of stations would play ‘alternative’ music past midnight so you had to stay up late to hear it and hopefully record it if your trigger finger was fast enough. In the SF Bay Area there were a few stations that would play alternative music regularly, so I was pretty lucky in that regard. Also, there was a local TV station that would air ‘alternative’ videos every afternoon and they would have guests like Adam Ant.

The day of my 17th birthday in 1988 my friend drove me to a club called One Step Beyond that was in Santa Clara California. All types of people went to that club; mods, goths, new wavers, punks,etc… That being the case they played a very wide variety of music, everything from rap/hip hop to early 80’s new wave hits. That was the night that I first heard this song. I loved it because it’s sound really gave it a sci-fi kind of vibe. You could watch Blade Runner and automatically think that this song would fit neatly into its soundtrack.

For years I didn’t know who made this song! Since this was the time before the internet that was a pretty regular occurrence. You didn’t want to seem uncool by asking who made the song! Sometimes I didn’t care and would ask anyway but for some reason I missed asking about this one. I’m not perfect! I finally found out about twenty years ago that Visage, who was an early 80’s new wave band, were the ones who made it! I remember listening to it over and over again absorbing it like a sponge. Happy in the knowledge that by golly I finally learned who wrote the song that perfectly encapsulated my late 80’s/early 90’s club going experience.

I hope you enjoy this song as much as I do because it’s very nifty.

RIP to Steve Strange, the singer and creative force of Visage who died in 2015.

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